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- To: "Hur Capt Christian P" <christian.hur@usmc.mil>
- Subject: RE: BOI continuance request ICO Maj Rowe
- From: "Houtz Maj Pete D" <pete.houtz@usmc.mil>
- Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:13:07 -0500
- Cc: "Haytham" <haytham@puckettfaraj.com>, "Grey Capt Nicholas R" <nicholas.grey@usmc.mil>
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All, Please copy Capt Torresala on anything to do with Major Rowe. VR Maj Houtz -----Original Message----- From: Hur Capt Christian P Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 16:42 To: Houtz Maj Pete D Cc: 'Haytham'; Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: BOI continuance request ICO Maj Rowe As discussed Sir. Christian P. Hur Captain, USMC Senior Defense Counsel Telephone: (619) 524-8713 Fax: (619) 524-6784 Address: Defense Section, Bldg 12, 1st Floor, MCRD, San Diego, CA 92140 This email may contain Attorney Work Product. Please delete if you received this message in error.Attachment: smime.p7s
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- To: "Rowe Maj Carlos O" <carlos.rowe@usmc.mil>, "Hur Capt Christian P" <christian.hur@usmc.mil>, "Haytham Faraj" <haytham@puckettfaraj.com>, <rowec_atl@yahoo.com>
- Subject: RE: BOI Docs
- From: "Grey Capt Nicholas R" <nicholas.grey@usmc.mil>
- Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:39:37 -0500
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Sir, Please find attached my proposed revisions to your letter. I hope my added paragraph 4 strikes the balance between your position and Capt Hur's. Also attached is my analysis on retirement pay. A little morbid I understand to be considering your life expectancy but I think it will give the members pause when they consider just how heavily their decision could impact you. Respectfully, Capt GreyAttachment: BOI Letter 14 Jan Grey revisions.doc
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- Subject: RE: BOI Docs
- From: "Rowe Maj Carlos O" <carlos.rowe@usmc.mil>
- Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:13:22 -0500
- Cc: "Grey Capt Nicholas R" <nicholas.grey@usmc.mil>
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So that I'm perfectly clear here: Scenario 1: The BOI votes to retain and LtCol Sullivan concurs to the General. Good for me. Scenario 2: The BOI votes to retain and LtCol Sullivan nonconcurs to the General. ??? Scenario 3: The BOI votes to separate and LtCol Sullivan concurs to the General. Bad for me. Scenario 4: The BOI votes to separate and LtCol Sullivan nonconcurs to the General. ??? As I'm reading this, I'm confused somewhere along the line. I understand that the BOI makes a recommendation that the CG has to endorse (?) In all liklihood, he's going to concur with the BOI results. So in essence Scenarios 2 and 4 are not likely to happen. Makes no sense. Furthermore, what good does LtCol Sullivan gets by such an admission? A righteous admission that all evil in the world is alcohol driven(??) If that's the case, I should admit to being an alcoholic, present no evidence, no charcter statements and just say I was drunk, freely admit to being drunk and walk away at 20. That's the confusing part. You have always stated gloves are off. I've never been a part of a BOI. Trying to figure that one out. What to expect, how things will go down? I've seen the appointing order. Got it. Major Houltz and Zeske will be there. What part does LtCol Sullivan play??? Is he the wild card? Don't know, but I do know what my gut is telling me. As a matter of principle, it is important to me your thoughts - whether you agree with LtCol Sullivan or not. It indicates to me the course of action we take as we all attempt to see me reach 20. Again, not trying to rock the boat, but all valid concerns / questions that I share. I also appreciate EVERYTHING everyone has done to get us to this point. Major Carlos Rowe Deputy G-6 Marine Corps Mobilization Command 15303 Andrews Road Kansas City, MO 64147-1207 Office: 816-843-3487 Cell: 816-896-8595 -----Original Message----- From: Hur Capt Christian P Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:42 To: Rowe Maj Carlos O; 'Haytham Faraj'; 'rowec_atl@yahoo.com' Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: RE: BOI Docs Sir, I want to get you retained at your BOI. There's been times I've had to piss off LtCol Sullivan for the good my client and where there was no deal possible. You have only to read the unlawful command influence motions (alleging misconduct by SJAs and Commanding Officers) I've filed in several cases to see that. In this case, however, LtCol Sullivan has indicated he'll support your retention (and tell the General you should be retained) if you admit that you have a drinking problem and fall on your sword without blaming others. LtCol Sullivan is a prosecutor at heart but he's always struck me as a man of his word. My gut tells me that the senior members would retain you if we present a picture of you as a man with a drinking problem that is recovering, a minor incident in his past and very near to retirement. This whole show has always been about you. I only advise and whatever actions we take will be from you alone. But think about this, you essentially went from General Court Martial and facing felony register-able sex offices to an NJP acceptance deal for wishy washy conduct unbecoming that keeps you from having any criminal record at all. That's pretty awesome results so far. Now all we have to do is grease the skids with the members, give them a reason to like you and you make it to 20. Christian P. Hur Captain, USMC Senior Defense Counsel Telephone: (619) 524-8713 Fax: (619) 524-6784 Address: Defense Section, Bldg 12, 1st Floor, MCRD, San Diego, CA 92140 This email may contain Attorney Work Product. Please delete if you received this message in error.Attachment: smime.p7s
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- Subject: RE: BOI Docs
- From: "Hur Capt Christian P" <christian.hur@usmc.mil>
- Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:41:55 -0500
- Cc: "Grey Capt Nicholas R" <nicholas.grey@usmc.mil>
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Sir, I want to get you retained at your BOI. There's been times I've had to piss off LtCol Sullivan for the good my client and where there was no deal possible. You have only to read the unlawful command influence motions (alleging misconduct by SJAs and Commanding Officers) I've filed in several cases to see that. In this case, however, LtCol Sullivan has indicated he'll support your retention (and tell the General you should be retained) if you admit that you have a drinking problem and fall on your sword without blaming others. LtCol Sullivan is a prosecutor at heart but he's always struck me as a man of his word. My gut tells me that the senior members would retain you if we present a picture of you as a man with a drinking problem that is recovering, a minor incident in his past and very near to retirement. This whole show has always been about you. I only advise and whatever actions we take will be from you alone. But think about this, you essentially went from General Court Martial and facing felony register-able sex offices to an NJP acceptance deal for wishy washy conduct unbecoming that keeps you from having any criminal record at all. That's pretty awesome results so far. Now all we have to do is grease the skids with the members, give them a reason to like you and you make it to 20. Christian P. Hur Captain, USMC Senior Defense Counsel Telephone: (619) 524-8713 Fax: (619) 524-6784 Address: Defense Section, Bldg 12, 1st Floor, MCRD, San Diego, CA 92140 This email may contain Attorney Work Product. Please delete if you received this message in error. -----Original Message----- From: Rowe Maj Carlos O Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 10:11 To: Hur Capt Christian P; 'Haytham Faraj'; 'rowec_atl@yahoo.com' Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: RE: BOI Docs Actually, I have stopped drinking and I'm also attending some AA meetings although I don't see how that's going to affect or change how the BOI members vote my case.... AA is just that an anonymous organization. Their goal is assist its members to achieve sobriety. My attendance is my attempt to gain a greater perspective on the impacts drinking has had on my life. I'm not doing this to affect the outcome, but assist me in recognizing (and understanding) the perils of drinking and the related affects of the disease (alcoholism). There is no course completion for AA and there is no documentation for attendance. I'm meeting people who have shared their stories which span decades. Just today, someone shared their story with me of being alcohol free for 24 years and mentioned the day to day struggle that it entails. There is no magic bullet, there is no special formula. While it amazes me the push from you and LtCol Sullivan to freely admit to being an alcoholic, I also have gained an appreciation from my attendance some similarities within myself and others that attend. However, there are also vast differences. The appreciation I'm gaining is for my edification. If any second (or third) order effects occurs which positively impact my case, then great. If the members ask (or anyone else for that matter), I will answer accordingly. If either of you (as my representatives) feel free to share that, then be my guest. Other than that, as a matter of my personal life, the manner in which I choose to improve myself is a matter of choice (in my opinion). However and for the record, I will continue to attend actually just because I like the way the meetings are structured and conducted. If you can share with me your thoughts, I would greatly appreciate it. It appears to me that either you agree with LtCol Sullivan or you want to appease him to the maximum extent possible. Please advise! S/F Major Carlos Rowe Deputy G-6 Marine Corps Mobilization Command 15303 Andrews Road Kansas City, MO 64147-1207 Office: 816-843-3487 Cell: 816-896-8595 -----Original Message----- From: Hur Capt Christian P Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 19:09 To: Rowe Maj Carlos O; 'Haytham Faraj'; 'rowec_atl@yahoo.com' Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: RE: BOI Docs Sir, I really like your letter. My advice right now is to prepare some material that indicates some successful AA treatment (either ongoing or completed) or at least some statement that you have stopped drinking, etc. Christian P. Hur Captain, USMC Senior Defense Counsel Telephone: (619) 524-8713 Fax: (619) 524-6784 Address: Defense Section, Bldg 12, 1st Floor, MCRD, San Diego, CA 92140 This email may contain Attorney Work Product. Please delete if you received this message in error. -----Original Message----- From: Rowe Maj Carlos O Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 14:48 To: Hur Capt Christian P; 'Haytham Faraj'; 'rowec_atl@yahoo.com' Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: BOI Docs Alcon: My first draft of my statement is attached. It is merely a rough first cut as I continue to refine my thoughts and how I want to convey them. Additionally, I'm awaiting feedback from some of the BOI character witnesses. These are exclusive of previous statements that I want included going forth. * For the record and not to rock the boat, I do NOT want the GySgt Potter's statement in my package. Let me repeat this again (considering my first request was overlooked prior to the NJP). I do NOT want the GySgt Potter's statement in my package. With that said, if anyone has re-interviewed him, then I will definitely reconsider. ** Other points to consider: Chris Burgess has since resigned his position and is now living / working in the Southern California area. Would definitely like to have him present (if possible and to testify). MSgt Hounshell is also a key witness and both can shed light on command climate / events leading to this situation. Both were unable to testify during the NJP. Thanks again. I also would like to speak off-line at some point. I have changed my DTS request to reflect arriving Wednesday night the 19th and remaining until Monday afternoon the 24th. I can adjust for an earlier departure if required. Major Carlos Rowe Deputy G-6 Marine Corps Mobilization Command 15303 Andrews Road Kansas City, MO 64147-1207 Office: 816-843-3487 Cell: 816-896-8595 -----Original Message----- From: Hur Capt Christian P Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 12:32 To: Haytham Faraj; Rowe Maj Carlos O; rowec_atl@yahoo.com Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: RE: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE Haytham, the attached pdf is the only request I've sent to date (see pdf). We could ask for the witnesses that we were going to for the 32, but at this stage I think it's better if we just ask for good military character witnesses. See attached word document. Please edit as needed and/or let me know its good to send out. Regarding the board members: Col Kasperski is the MCRD G4. He has told me after a previous BOI that he puts a lot of stock in officers that man up to their faults and fall on their sword and I've never seen him award an OTH when he's been a member. LtCol Trapp is in the G3 at MCRD. He is an 0302 and was a former infantry battalion commander that saw combat in Iraq. He has a burn scar from an accident as a child, not from combat. He is firm, but fair. He was Capt Wacker's mentor/supervisor at MCRD. He calls things the way they are and is an independent thinker. LtCol Woods...don't know him. He is the assistant chief of staff for recruiting. Christian P. Hur Captain, USMC Senior Defense Counsel Telephone: (619) 524-8713 Fax: (619) 524-6784 Address: Defense Section, Bldg 12, 1st Floor, MCRD, San Diego, CA 92140 This email may contain Attorney Work Product. Please delete if you received this message in error. -----Original Message----- From: Haytham Faraj [mailto:haytham@puckettfaraj.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:55 To: Hur Capt Christian P; Rowe Maj Carlos O; rowec_atl@yahoo.com Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: RE: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE Chris, Did you submit that discovery and witness request? Can we try to get some intel on the officers of the Board? Please get me their MOSs and any information on their careers including duty assignments and deployments. Maj Rowe. I recommend that you begin to work on your statement. Contrition for poor judgment works better than defiance. That said, do not express contrition for something you did not do or are not responsible for. s/f Haytham -----Original Message----- From: Hur Capt Christian P [mailto:christian.hur@usmc.mil] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 8:11 PM To: Rowe Maj Carlos O; rowec_atl@yahoo.com; haytham@puckettfaraj.com Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: FW: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE Gentlemen, FYI. See PDF. I know both LtCol Trapp and Col Kasperski. Both really good and fair officers. This is good for your BOI Sir. Regarding witnesses we want, see below and attached word document. Whom do we want? Thanks.Attachment: smime.p7s
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Actually, I have stopped drinking and I'm also attending some AA meetings although I don't see how that's going to affect or change how the BOI members vote my case.... AA is just that an anonymous organization. Their goal is assist its members to achieve sobriety. My attendance is my attempt to gain a greater perspective on the impacts drinking has had on my life. I'm not doing this to affect the outcome, but assist me in recognizing (and understanding) the perils of drinking and the related affects of the disease (alcoholism). There is no course completion for AA and there is no documentation for attendance. I'm meeting people who have shared their stories which span decades. Just today, someone shared their story with me of being alcohol free for 24 years and mentioned the day to day struggle that it entails. There is no magic bullet, there is no special formula. While it amazes me the push from you and LtCol Sullivan to freely admit to being an alcoholic, I also have gained an appreciation from my attendance some similarities within myself and others that attend. However, there are also vast differences. The appreciation I'm gaining is for my edification. If any second (or third) order effects occurs which positively impact my case, then great. If the members ask (or anyone else for that matter), I will answer accordingly. If either of you (as my representatives) feel free to share that, then be my guest. Other than that, as a matter of my personal life, the manner in which I choose to improve myself is a matter of choice (in my opinion). However and for the record, I will continue to attend actually just because I like the way the meetings are structured and conducted. If you can share with me your thoughts, I would greatly appreciate it. It appears to me that either you agree with LtCol Sullivan or you want to appease him to the maximum extent possible. Please advise! S/F Major Carlos Rowe Deputy G-6 Marine Corps Mobilization Command 15303 Andrews Road Kansas City, MO 64147-1207 Office: 816-843-3487 Cell: 816-896-8595 -----Original Message----- From: Hur Capt Christian P Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 19:09 To: Rowe Maj Carlos O; 'Haytham Faraj'; 'rowec_atl@yahoo.com' Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: RE: BOI Docs Sir, I really like your letter. My advice right now is to prepare some material that indicates some successful AA treatment (either ongoing or completed) or at least some statement that you have stopped drinking, etc. Christian P. Hur Captain, USMC Senior Defense Counsel Telephone: (619) 524-8713 Fax: (619) 524-6784 Address: Defense Section, Bldg 12, 1st Floor, MCRD, San Diego, CA 92140 This email may contain Attorney Work Product. Please delete if you received this message in error. -----Original Message----- From: Rowe Maj Carlos O Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 14:48 To: Hur Capt Christian P; 'Haytham Faraj'; 'rowec_atl@yahoo.com' Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: BOI Docs Alcon: My first draft of my statement is attached. It is merely a rough first cut as I continue to refine my thoughts and how I want to convey them. Additionally, I'm awaiting feedback from some of the BOI character witnesses. These are exclusive of previous statements that I want included going forth. * For the record and not to rock the boat, I do NOT want the GySgt Potter's statement in my package. Let me repeat this again (considering my first request was overlooked prior to the NJP). I do NOT want the GySgt Potter's statement in my package. With that said, if anyone has re-interviewed him, then I will definitely reconsider. ** Other points to consider: Chris Burgess has since resigned his position and is now living / working in the Southern California area. Would definitely like to have him present (if possible and to testify). MSgt Hounshell is also a key witness and both can shed light on command climate / events leading to this situation. Both were unable to testify during the NJP. Thanks again. I also would like to speak off-line at some point. I have changed my DTS request to reflect arriving Wednesday night the 19th and remaining until Monday afternoon the 24th. I can adjust for an earlier departure if required. Major Carlos Rowe Deputy G-6 Marine Corps Mobilization Command 15303 Andrews Road Kansas City, MO 64147-1207 Office: 816-843-3487 Cell: 816-896-8595 -----Original Message----- From: Hur Capt Christian P Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 12:32 To: Haytham Faraj; Rowe Maj Carlos O; rowec_atl@yahoo.com Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: RE: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE Haytham, the attached pdf is the only request I've sent to date (see pdf). We could ask for the witnesses that we were going to for the 32, but at this stage I think it's better if we just ask for good military character witnesses. See attached word document. Please edit as needed and/or let me know its good to send out. Regarding the board members: Col Kasperski is the MCRD G4. He has told me after a previous BOI that he puts a lot of stock in officers that man up to their faults and fall on their sword and I've never seen him award an OTH when he's been a member. LtCol Trapp is in the G3 at MCRD. He is an 0302 and was a former infantry battalion commander that saw combat in Iraq. He has a burn scar from an accident as a child, not from combat. He is firm, but fair. He was Capt Wacker's mentor/supervisor at MCRD. He calls things the way they are and is an independent thinker. LtCol Woods...don't know him. He is the assistant chief of staff for recruiting. Christian P. Hur Captain, USMC Senior Defense Counsel Telephone: (619) 524-8713 Fax: (619) 524-6784 Address: Defense Section, Bldg 12, 1st Floor, MCRD, San Diego, CA 92140 This email may contain Attorney Work Product. Please delete if you received this message in error. -----Original Message----- From: Haytham Faraj [mailto:haytham@puckettfaraj.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:55 To: Hur Capt Christian P; Rowe Maj Carlos O; rowec_atl@yahoo.com Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: RE: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE Chris, Did you submit that discovery and witness request? Can we try to get some intel on the officers of the Board? Please get me their MOSs and any information on their careers including duty assignments and deployments. Maj Rowe. I recommend that you begin to work on your statement. Contrition for poor judgment works better than defiance. That said, do not express contrition for something you did not do or are not responsible for. s/f Haytham -----Original Message----- From: Hur Capt Christian P [mailto:christian.hur@usmc.mil] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 8:11 PM To: Rowe Maj Carlos O; rowec_atl@yahoo.com; haytham@puckettfaraj.com Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: FW: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE Gentlemen, FYI. See PDF. I know both LtCol Trapp and Col Kasperski. Both really good and fair officers. This is good for your BOI Sir. Regarding witnesses we want, see below and attached word document. Whom do we want? Thanks.Attachment: smime.p7s
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At the end of the day (no matter what we present), it's going to be about me. Ogletree is a bad apple regardless. Always have and always will be, but this case hinges on whether the board can look past my two strikes (despite the circumstances as they are both matters of record) and allow me to serve the last few months of my career. I see it as tactical move: mention it, move on, and allow the BOI members to determine if it had any impact on why charges were brought. Major Carlos Rowe Deputy G-6 Marine Corps Mobilization Command 15303 Andrews Road Kansas City, MO 64147-1207 Office: 816-843-3487 Cell: 816-896-8595 -----Original Message----- From: Hur Capt Christian P Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 10:49 To: Rowe Maj Carlos O; rowec_atl@yahoo.com Cc: haytham@puckettfaraj.com; Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: Maj Rowe BOI discovery request Sir, I noted that you wanted me to ask for the GTCC and investigation into Oggletree. I had already asked for that in the 1 Dec 2010 request that is attached. They have not give us anything and were pretty fired up when I submitted the attached. I suppose the way we could go about this is either go with the flow and just present a case that you are a good Marine and focus on the positive or we can also throw Oggletree under the bus and make this case about her getting revenge against you. I defer to Haytham. Christian P. Hur Captain, USMC Senior Defense Counsel Telephone: (619) 524-8713 Fax: (619) 524-6784 Address: Defense Section, Bldg 12, 1st Floor, MCRD, San Diego, CA 92140 This email may contain Attorney Work Product. Please delete if you received this message in error.Attachment: smime.p7s
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- From: "Hur Capt Christian P" <christian.hur@usmc.mil>
- Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:48:43 -0500
- Cc: <haytham@puckettfaraj.com>, "Grey Capt Nicholas R" <nicholas.grey@usmc.mil>
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Sir, I noted that you wanted me to ask for the GTCC and investigation into Oggletree. I had already asked for that in the 1 Dec 2010 request that is attached. They have not give us anything and were pretty fired up when I submitted the attached. I suppose the way we could go about this is either go with the flow and just present a case that you are a good Marine and focus on the positive or we can also throw Oggletree under the bus and make this case about her getting revenge against you. I defer to Haytham. Christian P. Hur Captain, USMC Senior Defense Counsel Telephone: (619) 524-8713 Fax: (619) 524-6784 Address: Defense Section, Bldg 12, 1st Floor, MCRD, San Diego, CA 92140 This email may contain Attorney Work Product. Please delete if you received this message in error.Attachment: BOI discovery request for documents.pdf
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- To: "Rowe Maj Carlos O" <carlos.rowe@usmc.mil>, "Haytham Faraj" <haytham@puckettfaraj.com>, <rowec_atl@yahoo.com>
- Subject: RE: BOI Docs
- From: "Hur Capt Christian P" <christian.hur@usmc.mil>
- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:09:27 -0500
- Cc: "Grey Capt Nicholas R" <nicholas.grey@usmc.mil>
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Sir, I really like your letter. My advice right now is to prepare some material that indicates some successful AA treatment (either ongoing or completed) or at least some statement that you have stopped drinking, etc. Christian P. Hur Captain, USMC Senior Defense Counsel Telephone: (619) 524-8713 Fax: (619) 524-6784 Address: Defense Section, Bldg 12, 1st Floor, MCRD, San Diego, CA 92140 This email may contain Attorney Work Product. Please delete if you received this message in error. -----Original Message----- From: Rowe Maj Carlos O Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 14:48 To: Hur Capt Christian P; 'Haytham Faraj'; 'rowec_atl@yahoo.com' Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: BOI Docs Alcon: My first draft of my statement is attached. It is merely a rough first cut as I continue to refine my thoughts and how I want to convey them. Additionally, I'm awaiting feedback from some of the BOI character witnesses. These are exclusive of previous statements that I want included going forth. * For the record and not to rock the boat, I do NOT want the GySgt Potter's statement in my package. Let me repeat this again (considering my first request was overlooked prior to the NJP). I do NOT want the GySgt Potter's statement in my package. With that said, if anyone has re-interviewed him, then I will definitely reconsider. ** Other points to consider: Chris Burgess has since resigned his position and is now living / working in the Southern California area. Would definitely like to have him present (if possible and to testify). MSgt Hounshell is also a key witness and both can shed light on command climate / events leading to this situation. Both were unable to testify during the NJP. Thanks again. I also would like to speak off-line at some point. I have changed my DTS request to reflect arriving Wednesday night the 19th and remaining until Monday afternoon the 24th. I can adjust for an earlier departure if required. Major Carlos Rowe Deputy G-6 Marine Corps Mobilization Command 15303 Andrews Road Kansas City, MO 64147-1207 Office: 816-843-3487 Cell: 816-896-8595 -----Original Message----- From: Hur Capt Christian P Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 12:32 To: Haytham Faraj; Rowe Maj Carlos O; rowec_atl@yahoo.com Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: RE: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE Haytham, the attached pdf is the only request I've sent to date (see pdf). We could ask for the witnesses that we were going to for the 32, but at this stage I think it's better if we just ask for good military character witnesses. See attached word document. Please edit as needed and/or let me know its good to send out. Regarding the board members: Col Kasperski is the MCRD G4. He has told me after a previous BOI that he puts a lot of stock in officers that man up to their faults and fall on their sword and I've never seen him award an OTH when he's been a member. LtCol Trapp is in the G3 at MCRD. He is an 0302 and was a former infantry battalion commander that saw combat in Iraq. He has a burn scar from an accident as a child, not from combat. He is firm, but fair. He was Capt Wacker's mentor/supervisor at MCRD. He calls things the way they are and is an independent thinker. LtCol Woods...don't know him. He is the assistant chief of staff for recruiting. Christian P. Hur Captain, USMC Senior Defense Counsel Telephone: (619) 524-8713 Fax: (619) 524-6784 Address: Defense Section, Bldg 12, 1st Floor, MCRD, San Diego, CA 92140 This email may contain Attorney Work Product. Please delete if you received this message in error. -----Original Message----- From: Haytham Faraj [mailto:haytham@puckettfaraj.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:55 To: Hur Capt Christian P; Rowe Maj Carlos O; rowec_atl@yahoo.com Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: RE: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE Chris, Did you submit that discovery and witness request? Can we try to get some intel on the officers of the Board? Please get me their MOSs and any information on their careers including duty assignments and deployments. Maj Rowe. I recommend that you begin to work on your statement. Contrition for poor judgment works better than defiance. That said, do not express contrition for something you did not do or are not responsible for. s/f Haytham -----Original Message----- From: Hur Capt Christian P [mailto:christian.hur@usmc.mil] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 8:11 PM To: Rowe Maj Carlos O; rowec_atl@yahoo.com; haytham@puckettfaraj.com Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: FW: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE Gentlemen, FYI. See PDF. I know both LtCol Trapp and Col Kasperski. Both really good and fair officers. This is good for your BOI Sir. Regarding witnesses we want, see below and attached word document. Whom do we want? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Houtz Maj Pete D Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 17:01 To: Hur Capt Christian P Subject: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE Chris, Could you please ensure Mr. Faraj gets a copy of this. I'll get you folks govt exhibits in the next week. I expect to put in the usual procedural docs as well as the NJP record and the investigation. Please let me know what witness you will be requesting so we can make arrangements. Thanks, Maj Houtz -----Original Message----- From: Armstrong LCpl Ryan J Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 15:39 To: Keske Maj Zenon W; Reese CWO3 William L; Houtz Maj Pete D Subject: Appointing Order Good Afternoon Gentlemen, Here is the document scanned per your request. v/r/s LCpl Armstrong Civil Law Clerk Office of the Staff Judge Advocate MCRD San Diego, CA 619-524-4086 Ryan.j.armstrong@usmc.milAttachment: smime.p7s
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- To: "Houtz Maj Pete D" <pete.houtz@usmc.mil>
- Subject: Maj Rowe BOI witness list
- From: "Hur Capt Christian P" <christian.hur@usmc.mil>
- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:06:42 -0500
- Cc: <haytham@puckettfaraj.com>, "Grey Capt Nicholas R" <nicholas.grey@usmc.mil>
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Sir, Attached are the witnesses we will likely call. Contact info is on the NMCI email list. Christian P. Hur Captain, USMC Senior Defense Counsel Telephone: (619) 524-8713 Fax: (619) 524-6784 Address: Defense Section, Bldg 12, 1st Floor, MCRD, San Diego, CA 92140 This email may contain Attorney Work Product. Please delete if you received this message in error.Attachment: Def List of BOI Witnesses.docx
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- To: "Hur Capt Christian P" <christian.hur@usmc.mil>, "Haytham Faraj" <haytham@puckettfaraj.com>, <rowec_atl@yahoo.com>
- Subject: BOI Docs
- From: "Rowe Maj Carlos O" <carlos.rowe@usmc.mil>
- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:47:32 -0500
- Cc: "Grey Capt Nicholas R" <nicholas.grey@usmc.mil>
- Disposition-notification-to: "Rowe Maj Carlos O" <carlos.rowe@usmc.mil>
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Alcon: My first draft of my statement is attached. It is merely a rough first cut as I continue to refine my thoughts and how I want to convey them. Additionally, I'm awaiting feedback from some of the BOI character witnesses. These are exclusive of previous statements that I want included going forth. * For the record and not to rock the boat, I do NOT want the GySgt Potter's statement in my package. Let me repeat this again (considering my first request was overlooked prior to the NJP). I do NOT want the GySgt Potter's statement in my package. With that said, if anyone has re-interviewed him, then I will definitely reconsider. ** Other points to consider: Chris Burgess has since resigned his position and is now living / working in the Southern California area. Would definitely like to have him present (if possible and to testify). MSgt Hounshell is also a key witness and both can shed light on command climate / events leading to this situation. Both were unable to testify during the NJP. Thanks again. I also would like to speak off-line at some point. I have changed my DTS request to reflect arriving Wednesday night the 19th and remaining until Monday afternoon the 24th. I can adjust for an earlier departure if required. Major Carlos Rowe Deputy G-6 Marine Corps Mobilization Command 15303 Andrews Road Kansas City, MO 64147-1207 Office: 816-843-3487 Cell: 816-896-8595 -----Original Message----- From: Hur Capt Christian P Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 12:32 To: Haytham Faraj; Rowe Maj Carlos O; rowec_atl@yahoo.com Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: RE: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE Haytham, the attached pdf is the only request I've sent to date (see pdf). We could ask for the witnesses that we were going to for the 32, but at this stage I think it's better if we just ask for good military character witnesses. See attached word document. Please edit as needed and/or let me know its good to send out. Regarding the board members: Col Kasperski is the MCRD G4. He has told me after a previous BOI that he puts a lot of stock in officers that man up to their faults and fall on their sword and I've never seen him award an OTH when he's been a member. LtCol Trapp is in the G3 at MCRD. He is an 0302 and was a former infantry battalion commander that saw combat in Iraq. He has a burn scar from an accident as a child, not from combat. He is firm, but fair. He was Capt Wacker's mentor/supervisor at MCRD. He calls things the way they are and is an independent thinker. LtCol Woods...don't know him. He is the assistant chief of staff for recruiting. Christian P. Hur Captain, USMC Senior Defense Counsel Telephone: (619) 524-8713 Fax: (619) 524-6784 Address: Defense Section, Bldg 12, 1st Floor, MCRD, San Diego, CA 92140 This email may contain Attorney Work Product. Please delete if you received this message in error. -----Original Message----- From: Haytham Faraj [mailto:haytham@puckettfaraj.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:55 To: Hur Capt Christian P; Rowe Maj Carlos O; rowec_atl@yahoo.com Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: RE: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE Chris, Did you submit that discovery and witness request? Can we try to get some intel on the officers of the Board? Please get me their MOSs and any information on their careers including duty assignments and deployments. Maj Rowe. I recommend that you begin to work on your statement. Contrition for poor judgment works better than defiance. That said, do not express contrition for something you did not do or are not responsible for. s/f Haytham -----Original Message----- From: Hur Capt Christian P [mailto:christian.hur@usmc.mil] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 8:11 PM To: Rowe Maj Carlos O; rowec_atl@yahoo.com; haytham@puckettfaraj.com Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: FW: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE Gentlemen, FYI. See PDF. I know both LtCol Trapp and Col Kasperski. Both really good and fair officers. This is good for your BOI Sir. Regarding witnesses we want, see below and attached word document. Whom do we want? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Houtz Maj Pete D Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 17:01 To: Hur Capt Christian P Subject: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE Chris, Could you please ensure Mr. Faraj gets a copy of this. I'll get you folks govt exhibits in the next week. I expect to put in the usual procedural docs as well as the NJP record and the investigation. Please let me know what witness you will be requesting so we can make arrangements. Thanks, Maj Houtz -----Original Message----- From: Armstrong LCpl Ryan J Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 15:39 To: Keske Maj Zenon W; Reese CWO3 William L; Houtz Maj Pete D Subject: Appointing Order Good Afternoon Gentlemen, Here is the document scanned per your request. v/r/s LCpl Armstrong Civil Law Clerk Office of the Staff Judge Advocate MCRD San Diego, CA 619-524-4086 Ryan.j.armstrong@usmc.milAttachment: BOI Letter.doc
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- To: "Haytham Faraj" <haytham@puckettfaraj.com>, "Rowe Maj Carlos O" <carlos.rowe@usmc.mil>, <rowec_atl@yahoo.com>
- Subject: RE: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE
- From: "Hur Capt Christian P" <christian.hur@usmc.mil>
- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:32:12 -0500
- Cc: "Grey Capt Nicholas R" <nicholas.grey@usmc.mil>
- In-reply-to: <>
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Haytham, the attached pdf is the only request I've sent to date (see pdf). We could ask for the witnesses that we were going to for the 32, but at this stage I think it's better if we just ask for good military character witnesses. See attached word document. Please edit as needed and/or let me know its good to send out. Regarding the board members: Col Kasperski is the MCRD G4. He has told me after a previous BOI that he puts a lot of stock in officers that man up to their faults and fall on their sword and I've never seen him award an OTH when he's been a member. LtCol Trapp is in the G3 at MCRD. He is an 0302 and was a former infantry battalion commander that saw combat in Iraq. He has a burn scar from an accident as a child, not from combat. He is firm, but fair. He was Capt Wacker's mentor/supervisor at MCRD. He calls things the way they are and is an independent thinker. LtCol Woods...don't know him. He is the assistant chief of staff for recruiting. Christian P. Hur Captain, USMC Senior Defense Counsel Telephone: (619) 524-8713 Fax: (619) 524-6784 Address: Defense Section, Bldg 12, 1st Floor, MCRD, San Diego, CA 92140 This email may contain Attorney Work Product. Please delete if you received this message in error. -----Original Message----- From: Haytham Faraj [mailto:haytham@puckettfaraj.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:55 To: Hur Capt Christian P; Rowe Maj Carlos O; rowec_atl@yahoo.com Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: RE: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE Chris, Did you submit that discovery and witness request? Can we try to get some intel on the officers of the Board? Please get me their MOSs and any information on their careers including duty assignments and deployments. Maj Rowe. I recommend that you begin to work on your statement. Contrition for poor judgment works better than defiance. That said, do not express contrition for something you did not do or are not responsible for. s/f Haytham -----Original Message----- From: Hur Capt Christian P [mailto:christian.hur@usmc.mil] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 8:11 PM To: Rowe Maj Carlos O; rowec_atl@yahoo.com; haytham@puckettfaraj.com Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: FW: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE Gentlemen, FYI. See PDF. I know both LtCol Trapp and Col Kasperski. Both really good and fair officers. This is good for your BOI Sir. Regarding witnesses we want, see below and attached word document. Whom do we want? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Houtz Maj Pete D Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 17:01 To: Hur Capt Christian P Subject: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE Chris, Could you please ensure Mr. Faraj gets a copy of this. I'll get you folks govt exhibits in the next week. I expect to put in the usual procedural docs as well as the NJP record and the investigation. Please let me know what witness you will be requesting so we can make arrangements. Thanks, Maj Houtz -----Original Message----- From: Armstrong LCpl Ryan J Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 15:39 To: Keske Maj Zenon W; Reese CWO3 William L; Houtz Maj Pete D Subject: Appointing Order Good Afternoon Gentlemen, Here is the document scanned per your request. v/r/s LCpl Armstrong Civil Law Clerk Office of the Staff Judge Advocate MCRD San Diego, CA 619-524-4086 Ryan.j.armstrong@usmc.milAttachment: BOI discovery request for documents.pdf
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- To: "Haytham Faraj" <haytham@puckettfaraj.com>
- Subject: RE: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE
- From: "Rowe Maj Carlos O" <carlos.rowe@usmc.mil>
- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:22:45 -0500
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First draft of my statement already completed and will chop once more today. Col Kasperski is the AC/S G-4. I conducted an in-call with him August 2009. He's a Penn State Fellow, but don't know much beyond that. Had a pretty good meeting with him. I attended the 2 week Marine Corps Log Program at Penn State this past summer so we have that in common. I also met LtCol Trapp during that same trip to MCRD San Diego. We discussed AT/FP issues. I think he's a MP. I've never met LtCol Woods, but know of him via recruiting. S/F Major Carlos Rowe Deputy G-6 Marine Corps Mobilization Command 15303 Andrews Road Kansas City, MO 64147-1207 Office: 816-843-3487 Cell: 816-896-8595 -----Original Message----- From: Haytham Faraj [mailto:haytham@puckettfaraj.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 5:55 To: Hur Capt Christian P; Rowe Maj Carlos O; rowec_atl@yahoo.com Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: RE: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE Chris, Did you submit that discovery and witness request? Can we try to get some intel on the officers of the Board? Please get me their MOSs and any information on their careers including duty assignments and deployments. Maj Rowe. I recommend that you begin to work on your statement. Contrition for poor judgment works better than defiance. That said, do not express contrition for something you did not do or are not responsible for. s/f Haytham -----Original Message----- From: Hur Capt Christian P [mailto:christian.hur@usmc.mil] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 8:11 PM To: Rowe Maj Carlos O; rowec_atl@yahoo.com; haytham@puckettfaraj.com Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R Subject: FW: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE Gentlemen, FYI. See PDF. I know both LtCol Trapp and Col Kasperski. Both really good and fair officers. This is good for your BOI Sir. Regarding witnesses we want, see below and attached word document. Whom do we want? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Houtz Maj Pete D Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 17:01 To: Hur Capt Christian P Subject: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE Chris, Could you please ensure Mr. Faraj gets a copy of this. I'll get you folks govt exhibits in the next week. I expect to put in the usual procedural docs as well as the NJP record and the investigation. Please let me know what witness you will be requesting so we can make arrangements. Thanks, Maj Houtz -----Original Message----- From: Armstrong LCpl Ryan J Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 15:39 To: Keske Maj Zenon W; Reese CWO3 William L; Houtz Maj Pete D Subject: Appointing Order Good Afternoon Gentlemen, Here is the document scanned per your request. v/r/s LCpl Armstrong Civil Law Clerk Office of the Staff Judge Advocate MCRD San Diego, CA 619-524-4086 Ryan.j.armstrong@usmc.milAttachment: smime.p7s
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- To: "Rowe Maj Carlos O" <carlos.rowe@usmc.mil>, <rowec_atl@yahoo.com>, <haytham@puckettfaraj.com>
- Subject: FW: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE
- From: "Hur Capt Christian P" <christian.hur@usmc.mil>
- Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 20:10:43 -0500
- Cc: "Grey Capt Nicholas R" <nicholas.grey@usmc.mil>
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Gentlemen, FYI. See PDF. I know both LtCol Trapp and Col Kasperski. Both really good and fair officers. This is good for your BOI Sir. Regarding witnesses we want, see below and attached word document. Whom do we want? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Houtz Maj Pete D Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 17:01 To: Hur Capt Christian P Subject: APPOINTING ORDER ICO ROWE Chris, Could you please ensure Mr. Faraj gets a copy of this. I'll get you folks govt exhibits in the next week. I expect to put in the usual procedural docs as well as the NJP record and the investigation. Please let me know what witness you will be requesting so we can make arrangements. Thanks, Maj Houtz -----Original Message----- From: Armstrong LCpl Ryan J Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 15:39 To: Keske Maj Zenon W; Reese CWO3 William L; Houtz Maj Pete D Subject: Appointing Order Good Afternoon Gentlemen, Here is the document scanned per your request. v/r/s LCpl Armstrong Civil Law Clerk Office of the Staff Judge Advocate MCRD San Diego, CA 619-524-4086 Ryan.j.armstrong@usmc.milAttachment: appt order_1_10_2011_16_31_55.pdf
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- To: "Bailey MajGen Ronald L" <ronald.l.bailey@usmc.mil>, "Bailey MajGen Ronald L" <ronald.l.bailey@usmc.mil>
- Subject: Letter of Recommendation for Retention
- From: "Rowe Maj Carlos O" <carlos.rowe@usmc.mil>
- Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:37:51 -0500
- Cc: <rowec_atl@yahoo.com>
- Disposition-notification-to: "Rowe Maj Carlos O" <carlos.rowe@usmc.mil>
- Thread-index: AcuusyCuPO3Apf43QbiiKY7H3S1Fzg==
Sir, Hopefully the new year finds you and WRR / MCRC well. My apologies in advance for the interruption on your time, but wanted to respectfully request if you would consider a potential letter of recommendation for retention. I am truly sorry for placing you in the situation before us today. My acceptance of the proposed pre-trial agreement was a heart wrenching decision. While I was confident at some point that the truth would come out and that justice would prevail, I also had to look at it from all angles and accept responsibility for what occurred. That decision hopefully brought closure to those affected by the circumstances, but also allowed me and my family to move forward in our lives. At the time of the BOI (currently scheduled for 21 Jan 2011), I will have 5 months & 25 days remaining in the Marine Corps factoring in terminal leave and PTAD. I plan to separate on 15 July 2011 and officially retire on 1 Nov. More than most, you are aware of my overall demonstrated performance. As a result, your recommendation would go a long way towards the above. I can also assure you (despite the circumstances), I have not dropped my pack and will continue to perform at the highest level until I retire. While I truly regret leaving the Corps under these circumstances, I do look forward to the next chapter of my life and will remember fondly what the Corps has meant to me, especially those like you that have had a big impact on my life. My true regret in leaving is that I have let down those that believed in me the most. Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter. Again, my sincere apologies in all regards! Respectfully,Attachment: smime.p7s
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- To: "Haytham Faraj" <haytham@puckettfaraj.com>
- Subject: RE: BOI
- From: "Rowe Maj Carlos O" <carlos.rowe@usmc.mil>
- Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 14:06:59 -0500
- In-reply-to: <>
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Would it be prudent to ask General Bailey for a LOR?Attachment: smime.p7s
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- To: "Rowe Maj Carlos O" <carlos.rowe@usmc.mil>
- Subject: RE: BOI Maj Rowe
- From: "Hur Capt Christian P" <christian.hur@usmc.mil>
- Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:51:08 -0500
- Cc: <haytham@puckettfaraj.com>, "Grey Capt Nicholas R" <nicholas.grey@usmc.mil>
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Usually 1 day, but potentially 2 days. Christian P. Hur Captain, USMC Senior Defense Counsel Telephone: (619) 524-8713 Fax: (619) 524-6784 Address: Defense Section, Bldg 12, 1st Floor, MCRD, San Diego, CA 92140 This email may contain Attorney Work Product. Please delete if you received this message in error. -----Original Message----- From: Rowe Maj Carlos O Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 9:44 To: Hur Capt Christian P Subject: RE: BOI Maj Rowe Do you anticipate one day (the 21st) or multiple days? -----Original Appointment----- From: Hur Capt Christian P Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 14:00 To: Rowe Maj Carlos O; rowec_atl@yahoo.com; Grey Capt Nicholas R; 'Haytham'; 'christian.hur@gmail.com' Subject: BOI Maj Rowe When: Friday, January 21, 2011 2:00 AM to Saturday, January 22, 2011 2:00 AM (GMT-06:00) Central Time (US & Canada). Where: MCRD, Bldg 12 This date was tentatively agreed upon between defense and the trial counsel.Attachment: smime.p7s
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- To: "Rowe Maj Carlos O" <carlos.rowe@usmc.mil>
- Subject: Re: RE: BOI Maj Rowe
- From: "Christian Hur" <christian.hur@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:19:10 -0500
- Cc: "Hur Capt Christian P" <christian.hur@usmc.mil>, "Grey Capt Nicholas R" <nicholas.grey@usmc.mil>, "Haytham" <haytham@puckettfaraj.com>
- In-reply-to: <B9C853D8E3C40F4E824B02D2F618DB430130DB28@mcusquanez09v.mcdsus.mcds.usmc.mil>
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Prosecution says that is the date sir.
On Jan 4, 2011 5:28 AM, "Rowe Maj Carlos O" <carlos.rowe@usmc.mil> wrote:
Has this been finalized with all? Also, can you provide any additional information (as necessary)? Upon hearing from you, I will make the necessary travel arrangements.
Thanks!
-----Original Appointment-----
From: Hur Capt Christian P
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 14:00
To: Rowe Maj Carlos O; rowec_atl@yahoo.com; Grey Capt Nicholas R; 'Haytham'; 'christian.hur@gmail.com'
Subject: BOI Maj Rowe
When: Friday, January 21, 2011 2:00 AM to Saturday, January 22, 2011 2:00 AM (GMT-06:00) Central Time (US & Canada).
Where: MCRD, Bldg 12
This date was tentatively agreed upon between defense and the trial counsel.
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--- Begin Message ---Title: RE: BOI Maj Rowe
- To: "Hur Capt Christian P" <christian.hur@usmc.mil>, "Grey Capt Nicholas R" <nicholas.grey@usmc.mil>, "Haytham" <haytham@puckettfaraj.com>, <christian.hur@gmail.com>
- Subject: RE: BOI Maj Rowe
- From: "Rowe Maj Carlos O" <carlos.rowe@usmc.mil>
- Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 08:27:34 -0500
- In-reply-to: <74509E61E4DB6E40BBDE809E4CE7307A019B26BD@mcuspndlez03v.mcdsus.mcds.usmc.mil>
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Has this been finalized with all? Also, can you provide any additional information (as necessary)? Upon hearing from you, I will make the necessary travel arrangements.
Thanks!
-----Original Appointment-----
From: Hur Capt Christian P
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 14:00
To: Rowe Maj Carlos O; rowec_atl@yahoo.com; Grey Capt Nicholas R; 'Haytham'; 'christian.hur@gmail.com'
Subject: BOI Maj Rowe
When: Friday, January 21, 2011 2:00 AM to Saturday, January 22, 2011 2:00 AM (GMT-06:00) Central Time (US & Canada).
Where: MCRD, Bldg 12
This date was tentatively agreed upon between defense and the trial counsel.
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- To: "Houtz Maj Pete D" <pete.houtz@usmc.mil>, "Keske Maj Zenon W" <zenon.keske@usmc.mil>
- Subject: RE: MAJ ROWE BOI
- From: "Hur Capt Christian P" <christian.hur@usmc.mil>
- Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:35:03 -0500
- Cc: "Reese CWO3 William L" <william.reese@usmc.mil>, "Haytham" <haytham@puckettfaraj.com>
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Gentlemen, Haytham Faraj is representing Maj Rowe at his BOI. -----Original Message----- From: Houtz Maj Pete D Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 9:40 To: Keske Maj Zenon W Cc: Reese CWO3 William L; Hur Capt Christian P Subject: MAJ ROWE BOI Zenon, We have scheduled the BOI for Maj Rowe on 21 January 2011. Please let me know when the CG selects the board members so we can confirm the date with the President. PeteAttachment: smime.p7s
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- To: "Haytham" <haytham@puckettfaraj.com>
- Subject: FW: MAJ ROWE BOI
- From: "Hur Capt Christian P" <christian.hur@usmc.mil>
- Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:34:37 -0500
- Thread-index: Acuh/yz3EYNmYuggTWGKHkeoOmR3SwH0paYw
FYI -----Original Message----- From: Houtz Maj Pete D Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 9:40 To: Keske Maj Zenon W Cc: Reese CWO3 William L; Hur Capt Christian P Subject: MAJ ROWE BOI Zenon, We have scheduled the BOI for Maj Rowe on 21 January 2011. Please let me know when the CG selects the board members so we can confirm the date with the President. PeteAttachment: smime.p7s
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- To: "Houtz Maj Pete D" <pete.houtz@usmc.mil>
- Subject: BOI continuance request ICO Maj Rowe
- From: "Hur Capt Christian P" <christian.hur@usmc.mil>
- Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:41:36 -0500
- Cc: "Haytham" <haytham@puckettfaraj.com>, "Grey Capt Nicholas R" <nicholas.grey@usmc.mil>
- Thread-index: AcubJ6j5K/6y+1WQQdKeCnesDWiC+g==
As discussed Sir. Christian P. Hur Captain, USMC Senior Defense Counsel Telephone: (619) 524-8713 Fax: (619) 524-6784 Address: Defense Section, Bldg 12, 1st Floor, MCRD, San Diego, CA 92140 This email may contain Attorney Work Product. Please delete if you received this message in error.Attachment: BOI continuance.pdf
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--- Begin Message ---Attached are some interviews Capt Grey took a while ago. I just got around to taking them off of my digital recorder.
- To: "Nicholas Grey" <nrgrey@gmail.com>, "Haytham Faraj" <haytham@puckettfaraj.com>
- Subject: Maj Rowe audio
- From: "Christian Hur" <christian.hur@gmail.com>
- Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 12:33:04 -0500
- Thread-index: AcuT2WdF7+4KKUEYQMa7d32R+iKZbw==
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Christian P. Hur
Attachment: Capt Grey intv with Capt Trievel dtd 1 Sept 2010 RE Maj Rowe.WMA
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Description: audio/ms-wmaAttachment: Grey intv with LtCol Valez dtd 1 Sept 10 RE Maj Rowe.WMA
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- To: "Hur Capt Christian P" <christian.hur@usmc.mil>, "Houtz Maj Pete D" <pete.houtz@usmc.mil>
- Subject: RE: Maj Rowe BOI
- From: "Keske Maj Zenon W" <zenon.keske@usmc.mil>
- Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:49:30 -0500
- Cc: "Grey Capt Nicholas R" <nicholas.grey@usmc.mil>, "Haytham Faraj" <haytham@puckettfaraj.com>, "Rowe Maj Carlos O" <carlos.rowe@usmc.mil>, "Reese CWO3 William L" <william.reese@usmc.mil>
- In-reply-to: <74509E61E4DB6E40BBDE809E4CE7307A018DAB66@mcuspndlez03v.mcdsus.mcds.usmc.mil>
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Maj Houtz will be handling the BOI. Attached is the notification and signed acknowledgement. r/s Maj Keske -----Original Message----- From: Hur Capt Christian P Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 14:29 To: Houtz Maj Pete D; Keske Maj Zenon W Cc: Grey Capt Nicholas R; Haytham Faraj; Rowe Maj Carlos O Subject: RE: Maj Rowe BOI Gentlemen, Regarding the BOI of Maj Rowe, I'm unsure which of you will be handling this BOI. Accordingly, I have copied you both on this discovery request email. Thank you. Christian P. Hur Captain, USMC Senior Defense Counsel Telephone: (619) 524-8713 Fax: (619) 524-6784 Address: Defense Section, Bldg 12, 1st Floor, MCRD, San Diego, CA 92140 This email may contain Attorney Work Product. Please delete if you received this message in error.Attachment: Rowe_BOI Convening Order.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF documentAttachment: Rowe_CG MCCDC Endo Rpt of NJP.pdf
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- To: "Hur Capt Christian P" <christian.hur@usmc.mil>
- Subject: FW: Character Statement
- From: "Rowe Maj Carlos O" <carlos.rowe@usmc.mil>
- Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:11:30 -0500
- Cc: <haytham@puckettfaraj.com>
- Thread-index: Actkz71SZHOYSDrSRcyBfS2Fm+0c1wAABKrgAAB4uuA=
Capt Hur, I have copies I'm bringing as well, but here's another character letter. Major Carlos Rowe Deputy G-6 Marine Corps Mobilization Command 15303 Andrews Road Kansas City, MO 64147-1207 Office: 816-843-3487 Cell: 816-896-8595 -----Original Message----- From: Holloway, Christopher L Maj USJFCOM J1 [mailto:christopher.holloway@jfcom.mil] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 15:59 To: Rowe Maj Carlos O Cc: rowec_atl@yahoo.com Subject: Character Statement Carlos, Sorry this took a while. I just got back from leave today. Hope all goes well! Chris Christopher L. Holloway Major, U.S. Marine Corps Military Personnel Programs Division Chief (J12) U.S. Joint Forces Command 1562 Mitscher Avenue Suite 200 Norfolk, VA 23551-2488 DSN: 836-5777 Com: 757-836-5777 Cell:757-652-0858 Fax: 757-836-4776 "Nothing is permanent in this world, not even our troubles." Charlie ChaplinAttachment: img-X05050051-0001.pdf
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- To: "Hur Capt Christian P" <christian.hur@usmc.mil>, "Faraj, Haytham" <Haytham@puckettfaraj.com>, <rowec_atl@yahoo.com>
- Subject: Binder
- From: "Rowe Maj Carlos O" <carlos.rowe@usmc.mil>
- Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:24:37 -0500
- Cc: "Grey Capt Nicholas R" <nicholas.grey@usmc.mil>
- Disposition-notification-to: "Rowe Maj Carlos O" <carlos.rowe@usmc.mil>
- In-reply-to: <74509E61E4DB6E40BBDE809E4CE7307A01649F74@mcuspndlez03v.mcdsus.mcds.usmc.mil>
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Attached you will find the list of character letters / letters of recommendation to be presented on my behalf. I have also re-attached the list of individuals to testify or speak on my behalf. Final draft personal letter / statement will be sent prior to this afternoon's conference call. Major Carlos Rowe Deputy G-6 Marine Corps Mobilization Command 15303 Andrews Road Kansas City, MO 64147-1207 Office: 816-843-3487 Cell: 816-896-8595Attachment: XO1.pdf
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