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Re: ROGERS: Marine Corps stuck in the 1970s

Clo & Bill: I don't think the gent in question
               is stupid enough to do what is
               outlined below, although there
               is no telling. He did a great injustice
               to the Pendleton 8 in Nov '07, when he
               sounded off to the press. At that time,
               he had 3 other fine Marines from the
               Pendleton 8 squad discharged with
               General Discharges, which they didn't
               deserve. They should have received
               Honorable Discharges. If I were the
               parent of any of those Pendleton 8
               Marines, now would be a good time
               to show up at CamPen and request
               an audience with this gent.

Semper fi,
Don Greenlaw
----- Original Message ----- From: Clo Shivnan 
 To: ewfowler@comcast.net
 Cc: Don Greenlaw ; sandy damitz
 Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 11:43 AM
 Subject: Re: ROGERS: Marine Corps stuck in the 1970s


 Hi Bill,
I thought the same thing when I heard that Mabus was going to be presenting the award, too suspicious and coincidental. My theory on coincidences - they take quite a lot of planning!
I have a sick feeling in my gut that Mabus will casually pay a visit to the Command ares of those Marines sitting on the jury and have a "little talk" with their CO's, not to mention meeting with the Judge and persecution trying Franks case just to how their career paths are going. There is no reason for the case against Wuterich to go forward and yet it is, which makes no sense what soever so then the motive has to be political and thus at Pentagon or State. 

 LCpl Hogan was in 1/5.  We will see how the verdict goes for Wuterich.
Also, Lt Gen Waldheuser, Camp Pendleton based, is leading up the investigation on Pee Gate. News reports said that the Marines involved are lawyering up and refuse to talk to NCIS - wise decisions on their part.
There is not enough perfume to be worn that can cover up the stench of injustice or UCI. 

 Slainte,
 Clo
The definition of Insanity - Doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results. 




 From: "ewfowler@comcast.net" <ewfowler@comcast.net>
 To: clodagh2911@yahoo.com
Cc: sandy damitz <lilsolitaire@hotmail.com>; Don Greenlaw <dgreenlaw@cox.net> 
 Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 8:20 AM
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 Hi Clo,
Plus the SecNav has decided that Jan 17 (Tuesday) is the date for awarding the Navy Cross, posthumously, to the family of Lance Corporal Donald Hogan for his actions in August 2009. The ceremony will occur at Camp Pendleton while Wuetrich's trial is ongoing.
I, too, am very cynical about the leadership of the Navy/Marine Corps in both the Haditha and Hamdaniya cases. The timing for Mabus to decide "show up" for the award (he personally wanted to do it, according to the article in the link below) is beyond suspicion. It's more evidence of the ongoing "thuggery" in Washington and senior military leaders/officers. 


 http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/military/military-camp-pendleton-marine-hero-to-be-awarded-navy-cross/article_b7d0d7c6-f916-5f5f-ae06-051b4086b3ab.html
If the upcoming decision on Larry's case is not overturn for undue command influence (re: Mabus comments in January 2009) then there is not a UCMJ. 

 Bill




 From: "Don Greenlaw" <dgreenlaw@cox.net>
 Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 1:30:32 AM
 Subject: Fw: ROGERS: Marine Corps stuck in the 1970s

 Forwarded.

 Semper fi,
 Don Greenlaw
----- Original Message ----- From: Clo Shivnan 
 To: Don Greenlaw
 Cc: sandy damitz ; frank albano
 Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:15 PM
 Subject: ROGERS: Marine Corps stuck in the 1970s


 Hi Don,

 Re NC Times article by Rick Rogers:
 In observing the Wuterich Cout Martial I have pondered much the same as
 Rogers calls out.  As a civilian I also question how the 8 male jurors can
 reach a fair and impartial decision on Frank's case.  Knowing what we know
 now about the SOFA talks, playing heavily on the sentences of Hutchins,
Behena and trial of Wuterich, how do we know that the current jurors will do 
 the right thing and make a decision based on the facts and evidence
presented, and not succumb to political pressure and make an example out of 
 Wuterich.  The stench of Undue Command Influence has been all over the
 Hamdania and Haditha cases and that stench still lingers today.  I wish I
had some faith in the UCMJ but I don't, the 8 jurors may render the Wuterich verdict but I feel the decision (influence) on which way to vote comes from 
 DC.

 Coloring my synical  view is the "timing" of the release of the Pee Gate
 video of Marines from 3/2 showering some dead insurgents.  The 3/2 Marines
have been back in US for some time, some are even out of the Corps, but yet this video is "released" Wednesday. Tell me this video and the backlash on 
 the USMC will not influence a Wuterich decision, I double dog dare you :)


 Here's the article from NC TImes:
 http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/columnists/rogers/rogers-marine-corps-stuck-in-the-s/article_ab67b5f8-7253-5d8a-9e00-3a9df6005599.html

 Slainte,
 Clo


 The definition of Insanity - Doing the same thing over and over but
 expecting different results.