Fw: Engine Room Explosion, Power blackout could have caused Italian cruise disaster

["Don Greenlaw" <dgreenlaw@cox.net>]

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Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: Engine Room Explosion, Power blackout could have caused Italian 
cruise disaster


Don

Thanks for forwarding that info from Hollenbeck and thak him also.

As I said, I was the Science Advisor to CJTFME and was onboard another ship 
in the CIC when this engagement played out. The presence of US Warships in 
the Persian Gulf was the result of Operation Ernest Will, designed to ensure 
that the Straits of Hormuz were not closed or controlled by the Iranians. 
When the event started the intercom was turned on so that all could hear the 
secure radio traffic between Vincennes and other ships. The Captain of the 
Vincennes was actually encouraged to launch an intercept much sooner than he 
did or at least, he had authority to do so. The Iranian aircraft appeared to 
be, and was classified as, an attack aircraft both in flight profile and 
radar return characteristics and it was given international warnings to 
change course from what was thought to be an intercept with the Vincennes or 
one or the other of several other US ships in the area. Radar operators were 
sweating. Chiefs were poised. Well after the "threat" aircraft passed the 
launch decision envelope, the Vincennes Captain ordered launch. Under the 
perceived circumstances, he waited as long as he dared and probably longer 
than most of us would. All of this, I think including his heaving breathing, 
was on the socalled 1MC internal ship broadcast. There was a short period of 
relief and jubilation. Only after the debri began to rain down was the error 
determined.  The mood turned to one of depression and what now??
Then began rumors, attempts at explanation, accussations of coverup, and of 
course an official investigation and exploitation of all of the Vincennes' 
radar records etc. This was led by the Naval Surface Warfare Development 
Center Dahlgren VA and at one time I knew most of the story of that but I 
would be reluctant to try and repeat it now.
v/r

Carroll D. Childers P.E.
Consultant (540) 842-4937
Maj Gen (Ret)
  "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public 
debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and 
controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest 
America become bankrupt. People must again learn to work,instead of living 
on public assistance."           Author unknown but I like it





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From: "Don Greenlaw" <dgreenlaw@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:45:15 PM
Subject: Fw: Fw: Engine Room Explosion, Power blackout could have caused 
Italian cruise disaster

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From: Dave Hollenbeck
To: Don Greenlaw
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Engine Room Explosion, Power blackout could have caused
Italian cruise disaster


The fourth USS Vincennes (CG-49) is a U.S. Navy Ticonderoga class Aegis
guided missile cruiser. On July 3, 1988, the ship shot down Iran Air Flight
655 over the Persian Gulf, killing all 290 civilian passengers on board,
including 38 non-Iranians and 66 children.


On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Don Greenlaw <dgreenlaw@cox.net> wrote:

 Forwarded. Provided by MGen Childers,
 USA(Ret'd) & Major Stolz, USMC(Ret'd)

 Semper fi,
 Don GreenlawI
 ----- Original Message ----- From: ranger681@comcast.net
 To: Don Greenlaw
 Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:25 PM
 Subject: Re: Engine Room Explosion, Power blackout could have caused
Italian cruise disaster


 I agree with Hollenbeck as would I think Craig Roberts. If you have not
seen anything on Craig Roberts refer to the attached and watch his video
down at the bottom of the attachment. This Cruise Liner precisely fits
Roberts' description of the Fatwa declared after the USS Vincennes shot down
the Iranian airliner back in I think 88. I was Science Advisor to the CJTFME
at the time of the shootdown but forget exactly when it was


 Carroll D. Childers P.E.
 Consultant (540) 842-4937
 Maj Gen (Ret)
  "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public
debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and
controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest
America become bankrupt. People must again learn to work,instead of living
on public assistance."           Author unknown but I like it





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 From: "Don Greenlaw" <dgreenlaw@cox.net>
 Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 2:54:52 PM
 Subject: Fw: Engine Room Explosion, Power blackout could have caused
Italian cruise disaster

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 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Hollenbeck
 To: undisclosed-recipients:
 Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:27 AM
 Subject: Engine Room Explosion, Power blackout could have caused Italian
 cruise disaster


 The Forwarder writes:


 I suspect terrorism via a planted & timed explosive device in the engine
 room. That was all that was necessary. It's way too outlandish to believe
 that an experienced captain who does this run every 7 days would suddenly
 forget where the reefs are located and then steer right onto them. I smell
a
 rat. This could be a maritime Pan Am 103 or TWA 800 effort. Otherwise,
such
 a blunder makes no sense whatsoever.

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